I’ve been remiss in transcribing the rest of my discussion with Dolores Ashcroft-Nowicki concerning Dion Fortune’s Magical Battle of Britain and how we can apply and adapt that work to our work here in America. (See links to earlier transcripts here .)
I hope that, on this day of the Summer Solstice, the following portion of our discussion will prove helpful to you.
DAN: Well it’s very common knowledge that Hitler was up to his neck in the occult. He even went so far, as I believe it was maybe one of his astrologers or one of the people, was actually Jewish , and [Hitler] protected him because of his ability. He certainly had an inner group in one of the castles that he had. The basement was made into a temple and human sacrifice was used. That is kind of well-known amongst occult circles.
A lot of people, however, for them, the idea of total control that Hitler sort of was into, this appeals to a lot of Americans. Unfortunately. I do apologize for saying that. Even down to this petty little thing about, oh, you mustn‘t take [away] the right to bear arms. That just makes me gobsmacked. It really does. You’re going to put an AK-rifle in the hands of a seventeen-year old? Pardon me, you know. It seems to be bred into some Americans that you’ve got to be top dog and everybody else has got to do what you say. It’s a kind of mindset among some of your people. The whole Puritanical idea of peace and goodwill to everybody — provided you believe in god — that’s kind of gone by the board. You’ve become so multi-ethnic that there is no one belief system to hold you all together. That is part of it; it’s only a small part of it, but it is part of it . A whole is always made up of its many parts. In England, at least you’ve got something like “the Church of England” and that covers a multitude of sins.
There is a legend, two legends in fact, one of Arthur saying, “When England needs me I will be back.” And there’s another one of Francis Drake saying, “If you need me, beat my drum and I will be there.” And I think that when England was attacked, Arthur did not appear on Glastonbury Tor holding Excalibur. What happened [was] his essence woke up in every single person and it was a question of “Do what you like, you’re not going to set foot on British soil.” Churchill, when he said “We will fight you, we will fight you on the streets, [and so on],” that was what went through. Now, in the same way — a lot of people don’t actually realize this, or, if they do, they don’t believe it — Drake’s Drum was brought back to Buckworth Abbey, and it was brought up to [Liverpool?], and it was beaten. In World War II it was brought up from where it was and it was beaten. That was in August 1940, when the Battle of Britain began.
Me: It’s interesting that you bring up Arthur and Drake’s Drum, because one of the things that became clear to me very early, and you certainly see it when you read the Dion Fortune letters, is that England had these sort of, I don’t want to call them archetypes because they’re more than that, but things like Arthur and Glastonbury Tor and a history of those things.
DAN: Think of icons.
Me: Icons is a great word. They had been used; they had been used politically for magic purposes. And everyone in England kind of got that instantly. As soon as [Dion Fortune] said “King Arthur,” or “Glastonbury Tor,” or the “winds that blew the Armada away,” people got it. And I realized that, here in America, we’re so young that we don’t really have quite the same kind of things. Now, of course, we love Arthur here, too, and we’re an English-speaking people, and so you can certainly do that. But one of the things I’ve been trying to do in the weekly blog posts is build up images for Americans that they can use. . . . Looking at us from the outside can you see symbols or images that you think we could use in that way?
DAN: Funnily, enough, yes, I can, but I don’t know whether they would be accepted.
Me: Tell me what they are.
DAN: The First Nation chiefs. Because you are being attacked from within. OK? So were they.
They know, and their legends and their speeches speak of, “This is our land; why are you here? Why are you doing this to us? We will feed you. We will show you how to hunt. Let’s live together.” It wasn’t good enough. “No, no, it’s got to be all white.” Trump is saying, “This is what I want. I want power and I want the right to say we will go to war, or we will use this kind of weapon, and you can’t deny me this.” Other people are saying, “Yes, but we can do this a different way.” “No, I’m the president; I’m going to decide.”
You need the great sayings of some of the First Nation chiefs. They, like Arthur, were of the land. They are the ones that revered the land. And when all is said and done, my love, the land is the people, as well. People just live on it. The land needs to be protected. She is the Mother. She feeds. She gives of herself continuously. Stone for us to build houses. Earth so we can grow wheat. Animals that we can either nurture or we can kill for food. She gives, and she gives, and she gives. She has no protection against her children; they do what they will with her. The First Nation people understood the importance of that.
I have Navaho friends, one of them I know in particular, he gets up every morning at sunrise. He goes out, he takes up a handful of earth, and says, “Good morning, my Mother.” He looks up at the sky and he says, “Good morning, my Father.” He acknowledges these areas within himself and that nurture him. And it’s no good, how do I want to put this? America is more than politics. It’s more than Trump. It’s more than Hillary Clinton. It’s more than the people who live in it. America is the land, the spirit of the land, and that’s what you need to rise up; that’s what you need to awaken is the spirit of the land. No matter what land or what state.
If you need to find a point, a geographical point, although it is misnamed, you might try Devil’s [Tower]* in Wyoming. . . . You need something kind of in the kind of the center. There’s an area called Four Corners that seems to be almost a kind of middle point. I don’t know if there’s anything sacred there. It seems to me that there might be, and if not, all it would need would be for somebody to park a bloody great big stone there and say, “This is the point, this is where we converge.” Or you could take Mt. Rushmore. You see, some people say, “What about the Statute of Liberty?” But you see, the Statue of Liberty [isn’t central].
Me: That’s really helpful. And it’s fascinating that you brought up the First Peoples because a group of shamans got in touch with me after one of the Sunday workings and said, “We have heard from the spirits of the First People and they want to be included in this work.” And I had been a little worried about cultural appropriation. Sometimes the First Peoples are like, “We don’t want to get involved in your mess.” And the shamans said, “That’s not the case [here].” And now your saying it to me feels like I’m hearing it confirmed, so that’s really interesting and helpful to me.
DAN: Some of their sayings and some of the speeches the chiefs have made in the past are battle cries that you could use. Despite the fact that they’ve been trodden down, I hold a hope in my heart, even though I’m not American, I dream of having a First Nation president one day.
Me: Wouldn’t that be wonderful?
DAN: It would be. It would redress a lot of wrongs.
Me: Sort of I think the same way that having Barack Obama as a president began to redress some wrongs. Sort of the way that I think that having a woman . . .
[Laughter and crosstalk].
DAN: First Nations woman president.
Me: I would like that.
/To be continued.
* Thanks to Chas Clifton for the correct information.
Picture found here.